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[drf:1965] Fwd: Re: Lessons of Intute



皆様
お読みになっていらっしゃる方もあるかと思いますが、JISCのメーリングリスト 
でも話題になってますね。
要するに、補助金に頼らないで事業を継続させるビジネス・モデルを作らなくて 
はダメだということかと思います。
これ、日本のリポジトリ事業についてもあてはまるのではないでしょうか(あ、 
地雷をふんじゃったかな)?


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:17:17 +0100
From: C Oppenheim <C.Oppenheim @ xxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: C Oppenheim <C.Oppenheim @ xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

there is a third group - investment in services.  JISC is rightly wary 
of an indefinite commitment to services, which it hopes and expects will 
become self-supporting sooner or later. I stick to my view that JISC was 
NOT being wilfully unpleasant, but that it took a rational and sensible 
decision.

Incidentally, if the rumours are true (I stress these are just rumours I 
have picked up over the years), Intute had ample warning from JISC about 
it''s unhappiness at the lack of development of a realistic business 
model for Intute.

Charles
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From: Repositories discussion list [JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Downes [stephen @ xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 02 September 2010 14:37
To: JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute

Oh, I've touched on a sore point! Heh.

But I think there's still a distinction here worth making, that between:

- investment in infrastructure, which is expected to be maintained, and

- investment in projects, which is not expected to be maintained

The lessons to be learned from Intute are completely different, 
depending on which one it was (or was perceived to be).

-- Stephen



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On 2 Sep 2010 10:16 a.m., Derek Law <d.law @ xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

LOL. You clearly haven't seen the roads round here!
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Professor Derek Law
Turnbull Building
University of Strathclyde
155 George Street
Glasgow G1 1RD
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 141 548 4997
The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in 
Scotland, number SC015263.
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From: Repositories discussion list [JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Downes [stephen @ xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 02 September 2010 13:55
To: JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute

On the other hand, government does not typically set up roads and then 
abandon them if they don't become 'viable'.



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On 2 Sep 2010 9:11 a.m., Derek Law <d.law @ xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As one of the ageing suits who chaired committees which set up most of 
these services, I agree
with Andy and Charles. JISC has a brilliant record of starting things 
off, setting them up,
then giving them the space and time to become viable. If they don't the 
result is
inevitable. I know this from bitter experience. The BUBL service here at 
Strathclyde was
cut off after many years of funding.
Nothing is forever. We need to learn the lessons and move on not moan 
that it's unfair
Derek Law
________________________________________________________________________________________
Professor Derek Law
Turnbull Building
University of Strathclyde
155 George Street
Glasgow G1 1RD
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 141 548 4997
The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in 
Scotland, number SC015263.
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From: Repositories discussion list [JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of C Oppenheim [C.Oppenheim @ xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 02 September 2010 11:45
To: JISC-REPOSITORIES @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute

The service was not USED enough and therefore could not justify its cost 
to JISC. JISC should not be in the business of subsidising services 
which aren't being used or appreciated. One might speculate as to why 
Intute (I agree a really silly name) was used so little, and that's 
where lessons can indeed be learned.

Charles


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