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# [drf:1965] Fwd: Re: Lessons of Intute

- Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:04:02 +0900

    皆様
    お読みになっていらっしゃる方もあるかと思いますが、JISCのメーリングリスト
    でも話題になってますね。
    要するに、補助金に頼らないで事業を継続させるビジネス・モデルを作らなくて
    はダメだということかと思います。
    これ、日本のリポジトリ事業についてもあてはまるのではないでしょうか（あ、
    地雷をふんじゃったかな）？

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    Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute
    Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:17:17 +0100
    From: C Oppenheim <C.Oppenheim ＠ xxxxxxxxxxx>
    Reply-To: C Oppenheim <C.Oppenheim ＠ xxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    there is a third group - investment in services.  JISC is rightly wary
    of an indefinite commitment to services, which it hopes and expects will
    become self-supporting sooner or later. I stick to my view that JISC was
    NOT being wilfully unpleasant, but that it took a rational and sensible
    decision.

    Incidentally, if the rumours are true (I stress these are just rumours I
    have picked up over the years), Intute had ample warning from JISC about
    it''s unhappiness at the lack of development of a realistic business
    model for Intute.

    Charles
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    From: Repositories discussion list [JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
    Behalf Of Stephen Downes [stephen ＠ xxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: 02 September 2010 14:37
    To: JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute

    Oh, I've touched on a sore point! Heh.

    But I think there's still a distinction here worth making, that between:

    - investment in infrastructure, which is expected to be maintained, and

    - investment in projects, which is not expected to be maintained

    The lessons to be learned from Intute are completely different,
    depending on which one it was (or was perceived to be).

    -- Stephen

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre

    ________________________________
    On 2 Sep 2010 10:16 a.m., Derek Law <d.law ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    LOL. You clearly haven't seen the roads round here!
    ________________________________________________________________________________________
    Professor Derek Law
    Turnbull Building
    University of Strathclyde
    155 George Street
    Glasgow G1 1RD
    United Kingdom
    Tel: +44 141 548 4997
    The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
    Scotland, number SC015263.
    ________________________________________
    From: Repositories discussion list [JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
    Behalf Of Stephen Downes [stephen ＠ xxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: 02 September 2010 13:55
    To: JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute

    On the other hand, government does not typically set up roads and then
    abandon them if they don't become 'viable'.

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre

    ________________________________
    On 2 Sep 2010 9:11 a.m., Derek Law <d.law ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    As one of the ageing suits who chaired committees which set up most of
    these services, I agree
    with Andy and Charles. JISC has a brilliant record of starting things
    off, setting them up,
    then giving them the space and time to become viable. If they don't the
    result is
    inevitable. I know this from bitter experience. The BUBL service here at
    Strathclyde was
    cut off after many years of funding.
    Nothing is forever. We need to learn the lessons and move on not moan
    that it's unfair
    Derek Law
    ________________________________________________________________________________________
    Professor Derek Law
    Turnbull Building
    University of Strathclyde
    155 George Street
    Glasgow G1 1RD
    United Kingdom
    Tel: +44 141 548 4997
    The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
    Scotland, number SC015263.
    ________________________________________
    From: Repositories discussion list [JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
    Behalf Of C Oppenheim [C.Oppenheim ＠ xxxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: 02 September 2010 11:45
    To: JISC-REPOSITORIES ＠ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute

    The service was not USED enough and therefore could not justify its cost
    to JISC. JISC should not be in the business of subsidising services
    which aren't being used or appreciated. One might speculate as to why
    Intute (I agree a really silly name) was used so little, and that's
    where lessons can indeed be learned.

    Charles

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